Talk:Shadow (psychology)

Nietzsche

Wasn't it Nietzsche who first referred to the unconscious as the shadow?

update --Addition of reference 'shadow aspect' 25 Febuary 2006 by Red Supremacy

Nietzsche may well have done so. It was Jung who said it has the layered construction of suppressed thoughts above the collective unconscious. Jung also, earlier in his career, referred to it as the "negative persona". --Darkchanter 05:09, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Nietzsche used the expression "the wild dogs (or hounds) in the basement. I would here have mentioned Dr. Jekyll and mr. Hyde". OlavN 10:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Repression

' shadow or "shadow aspect" is a part of the unconscious mind consisting of repressed weaknesses, shortcomings, and instincts. It is ' one of the three most recognizable archetypes, the others being the anima and animus.

This first sentence contains way too many errors. First, according to Jung, none of the archetypes come from any form of repression: archetypes "reside" in collective unconscious, which is older than our little problems that we might want to repress. Second, none of the archetypes are easily recognizable, and particularly (as the very next para explains) Shadow is difficult to see when projected to others. Lebatsnok (talk) 11:01, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Don't the words 'easily recognizable' refer to the idea in mythology? IE Isis, Osiris and Set or Christ, Mary Magdelene & Judas etc? I took it to mean that. Most of the time everyone is completely oblivious to archetypes in oneself! ThePeg (talk) 20:59, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I think the article means by easily recognizable is that it is a Jungian concept easily recognize, where as the collective unconscious, synchronisity, mandala, mana personaliyt, ect. Might not be. Along with anima and animus they are the more "basic" Jungian ideas.Sanitycult (talk) 10:21, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Tags

I've just removed the 3 year-old tag about inline references, because I felt the current 32 inline references should be enough to have dealt with the issue. On the other hand I've added a edit tag for style, because the overall style is far from Wikipedia's norm. I would edit it myself, but I think the article is in need of an expert. The ellipsis without spaces and the quotations bug me the most - but I guess an overral review would be best. 201.82.135.164 (talk) 02:17, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Deleted See Also section

I've deleted the See also section which contained links to two articles (Chöd and (A Wizard of Earthsea) which do not seem to be in any way related. Mrrhum (talk) 04:00, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

replaced the psych portal that was deleted--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(talk) 14:35, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

I also removed the reference to A Wizard of Earthsea in the Further Reading section. Nothing indicated why it was there or what relevance it has to the article. Carhutt (talk) 16:18, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Pop culture

The Pop Culture section appears to be solely individual "research", but not actually researched. It's utter bollocks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.49.176.208 (talk) 16:55, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

The Shadow has a strong presence in pop culture, we can see it in video games such as Persona in direct terms - even being referred to as shadows - and less overtly with characters such as Dark Link in Ocarina of Time. It's also present in moments such as the Cave in Dagobah in The Empire Strikes Back. Considering how often it appears, this section would probably be good to revisit if there are proper sources. ErikBen (talk) 03:29, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

I've added back the pop culture section. It needs expansion. As I pointed out prior, we can see the shadow in many places in popular culture, and being able to point at those examples will assist in understanding the shadow. The current issue is finding reliable sources that aren't just forum posts or movie reviewers. ErikBen (talk) 18:37, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

The pop culture section serves to provide examples to make the concept of the shadow easier to understand as the rest of the article remains in poor condition. I would invite others to add to it.

projecting the shadow

I suggest bringing politics into the picture. That is an obvious and currently very meaningful example since in America it's destroying the nation. Each political party sees the other side as evil and neither can see any fault in themselves. They can only see their own virtue. Belief in one's own virtue seems to be at the root of the problem. Maybe somebody who can write better than me can add that description to the article. Thanks. 2600:8801:B011:300:B09F:3FEF:E7EB:2AC5 (talk) 12:50, 15 April 2021 (UTC) James.

Politics aren't the only place we can see the concept of 'projecting the shadow' because this idea relates to the idea of seeing the shadow in other things or people. I'm doing a little digging, and it's a little hard to find reliable sources. If sources could be found, then adding a section on projecting the shadow might be a good idea. ErikBen (talk) 20:54, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

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