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A query

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Oldest local fraternity claim

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Currently the source for the oldest local men's fraternity claim is mostly based on the table in Baird's Manual of Fraternities from 1905 which lists all the local societies and their founding date. The only three older fraternities than Kappa Pi Kappa were Eclectic at Wesleyan (1837), Lambda Iota at UVM (1836), and IKA at Trinity (1829). IKA merged with Delta Phi in 1917, Lambda Iota merged with Pi Kappa Phi recently, and The Eclectic is co-ed and no longer considers itself a fraternity.

I don't think anyone besides The Dartmouth has published the claim and so I think it would be hard to cite unless we consider The Dartmouth a source.

Kidblast (talk) 22:27, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is one of those things that is irrelevant to most readers, but of intense interest to some of the old-line Eastern fraternities, and to those who have crossed paths with one of these societies. Articles about Ivy League schools and their fraternities are often subject to bloat or puffery, but in this case, I don't doubt that Kappa Pi Kappa is the oldest surviving local.
BTW, I added Wikilinks to the three former locals you listed here, for the benefit of readers. As to its value as a reference, Baird's is a very, very good source. A related source is the Baird's Archive online. If errors were found in earlier versions of the Manual, this information would be corrected in subsequent issues, or the online Archive. Jax MN (talk) 06:40, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]