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Terminology change
[edit]- Proposed renaming Category:Local government politicians in Australia to Category:Australian local politicians
- The nominated change is for Local government politicians to become Local politicians. JarrahTree 02:09, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks to those who turned up there, frequently one size fits all category changes are not adequately notified to the affected subject/topic areas. JarrahTree 01:48, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
Old website name populates infobox
[edit]Hey, does anyone know how or why this happens? Just updating Ranamok Glass Prize a bit, and was trying to get rid of the now defunct website (and Wayback Machine is temporarily offline, so can't even see if there's a usable archived version), but it keeps popping up in the infobox, even when I've removed the website parameter. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:08, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Template:Infobox award fetches that information from Wikidata (you can tell by the pen icon next to it). To correct it, clicking on the pen brings you to d:Q18393421 were you can remove the official website. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:49, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, thanks for that Michael. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 08:13, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- There's a few lurking issues underpinning this. First, the documentation on the template ought to explain this when discussing the website parameter that it is being drawn from Wikida, but it doesn't. There is a listing of Wikidata items in the documentation but that gives the names of the items in Wikidata but does not map them to the fields in the infobox, nor explain anything else, i.e. it's all pretty cryptic. Finally, I can see no discussion on the Template Talk page (or its archive) where drawing this information from Wikidata was discussed to establish consensus. I would expect that such a discussion would have raised the need to adequately document the situation. Finally, I think it should be made possible for Wikipedians to override Wikidata content using Wikipedia without having to engage with Wikidata (which is very different in its structure and principles). If we make it too difficult for people to fix the problem, then the problem will go unfixed. Kerry (talk) 03:39, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks Kerry - I would agree with your sentiments! I became aware at some point of the census counts populating infoboxes, but not websites. The latter seems fraught with risk as website names don't remain constant, and quite often become defunct. I haven't had much to do with Wikidata myself. I only hope that it doesn't start populating DOB data as there are strict rules about including DOB for living people. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:54, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- The choice to automatically use Wikidata or to allow manual overrides is made in each template. Most tend to only use it if the field isn't defined in the template. There are pros and cons for both, depending on the template and parameter. IMO, the big advantage of using Wikidata is that it allows one change to populate multiple language instances of Wikipedia, and there is generally less vandalism (but less watchers too). The-Pope (talk) 02:05, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I can see the advantages, thanks, The-Pope - but the decision which data can be overridden should be careful, and website doesn't seem like a great choice to me. Also, surely dropping the parameter in the infobox should cause it not to be populated? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 06:42, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- The choice to automatically use Wikidata or to allow manual overrides is made in each template. Most tend to only use it if the field isn't defined in the template. There are pros and cons for both, depending on the template and parameter. IMO, the big advantage of using Wikidata is that it allows one change to populate multiple language instances of Wikipedia, and there is generally less vandalism (but less watchers too). The-Pope (talk) 02:05, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks Kerry - I would agree with your sentiments! I became aware at some point of the census counts populating infoboxes, but not websites. The latter seems fraught with risk as website names don't remain constant, and quite often become defunct. I haven't had much to do with Wikidata myself. I only hope that it doesn't start populating DOB data as there are strict rules about including DOB for living people. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:54, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- There's a few lurking issues underpinning this. First, the documentation on the template ought to explain this when discussing the website parameter that it is being drawn from Wikida, but it doesn't. There is a listing of Wikidata items in the documentation but that gives the names of the items in Wikidata but does not map them to the fields in the infobox, nor explain anything else, i.e. it's all pretty cryptic. Finally, I can see no discussion on the Template Talk page (or its archive) where drawing this information from Wikidata was discussed to establish consensus. I would expect that such a discussion would have raised the need to adequately document the situation. Finally, I think it should be made possible for Wikipedians to override Wikidata content using Wikipedia without having to engage with Wikidata (which is very different in its structure and principles). If we make it too difficult for people to fix the problem, then the problem will go unfixed. Kerry (talk) 03:39, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, thanks for that Michael. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 08:13, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Re Kevin – validity of marriage of transsexual#Requested move 15 October 2024
[edit]There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Re Kevin – validity of marriage of transsexual#Requested move 15 October 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. --MikutoH talk! 22:59, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:2024 Northern Territory general election#Requested move 20 October 2024
[edit]There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2024 Northern Territory general election#Requested move 20 October 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Alpha3031 (t • c) 13:39, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:2024 Australian Capital Territory general election#Requested move 19 October 2024
[edit]There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2024 Australian Capital Territory general election#Requested move 19 October 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Alpha3031 (t • c) 13:39, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
I just created an article for Bob Hobman, an Australian sailor and experimental archeologist who has recreated a number of ocean journeys to research the early movements of humans. Thriley (talk) 19:05, 23 October 2024 (UTC)