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This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination.
RM, Georgia (country) → Republic of Georgia, Opposed, 23 May 2005, Discussion
RM, Georgia (country) → Georgia, No consensus, 5 July 2006, Discussion
RM, Georgia (country) → Georgia, No consensus, 11 July 2007, Discussion
RM, Georgia (country) → Georgia, No consensus, 15 March 2008, Discussion
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Ah - the wine competition between Armenians and Georgians. My latest is that the traces of wine making found n the Gadachrili Gora site (Imiri village near Shulaveri, Marneuli) are from roughly 6000BC, preceding the Areni-1 site with 2 millennia. See The Guardian and a research article on the findings in the site. Labrang (talk) 21:09, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In claiming that this Wikipedia article is wrong, you implicitly acknowledge your understanding that Wikipedia articles can be wrong. So why would you then cite another Wikipedia article as though it's the sacred truth, instead of realizing that it may be wrong? At most, it would be reasonable to note the inconsistency between the two and ask if anyone can resolve it.
But, here, there isn't any inconsistency! Georgian winemaking has been dated to as far back as 6000 BC. As your intention was to show that Armenian winemaking is older, why would you draw our attention to this Areni wine that's dated to 4100–4000 BC, around 2,000 years later than the earliest known Georgian winemaking? Largoplazo (talk) 21:13, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Georgia (country)" seems to be the many origins of the images displayed in the "Rumi tarot", the country has Persian roots alongside its neighbors such as Armenia, Azerbaijan, Iran.
See WP:NOTNEWS, an article isn't a journal of the week's news. Some editor would have to feel that these demonstrations are key to a general article about the country, and that probably can't be established until a while afterwards so that it can be seen whether, in retrospect, those demonstrations played a prominent role in shaping the face of the country. Largoplazo (talk) 16:58, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I doubt that she's called "king" in Georgian. Presumably you mean she's referred to by the word that usually translates to the English word "king". However, this is English Wikipedia and in English a woman who is the monarch of a country is a queen. Largoplazo (talk) 20:54, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tamar Mepe (თამარ მეფე) is the Georgian name, which is King Tamar. So the IP user is correct. However, calling her Queen Tamar is also correct and the generally used name in English. Labrang (talk) 23:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As I said, this is English Wikipedia. The article is in English, not Georgian. I am a native speaker of English, I know it very well, and I can tell you that in English the title of a woman who is the monarch of a country is "queen". Largoplazo (talk) 02:03, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see a reason to change anyways, as the article on Tamar is clear in its opening sentence(s) on the fact that she is (also) called King Tamar via the non-genderized word. So there's really no need to change it here. Labrang (talk) 08:25, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't doubt that in any language "Queen" and "King" have their own strict definitions. But the fact that a woman held so much power during that period is so unique that the monarch was given the title of King and was never referred to as a Queen (which at that time implied lesser power). It is incorrect from the outset to refer to her as a Queen (even in the article about Tamar herself) 91.151.136.145 (talk) 09:53, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That may be the case in Georgian, but the English language has a long history of using Queen to refer to people with power, and calling Tamar a King would directly mislead the vast majority of readers regarding her gender. CMD (talk) 12:11, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tamar is predominantly a female name in various countries :) (Israel, Netherlands, United States). The reader can read further, it's a shame that a fact is written wrong 91.151.136.145 (talk) 15:01, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"King" is exclusively a masculine title in English-speaking countries, and we shouldn't leave the reader guessing whether the femininity of "Tamar" overrides the obvious masculinity of "king".
It's a fact that in English terminology she was a queen regardless of what Georgians call her in Georgian. It's like insisting that we have to say, despite his being 1.85 cm (6'1") tall, that Nate "Tiny" Archibald was tiny because he was called "Tiny". That he was called "Tiny" is a true fact. That he was tiny is not a true fact. Largoplazo (talk) 17:04, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]