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Removal of cited content

Dear fellow editors,
I am leaving the present message to ask for advice and assistance from other editors interested in the present article, concerning recent removal of cited content by an IP editor, here and here, which clearly contravenes WP:NPOV, and particularly Achieving neutrality:

As a general rule, do not remove sourced information from the encyclopedia solely on the grounds that it seems biased. Instead, try to rewrite the passage or section to achieve a more neutral tone.

This topic of "Métis" has been raised before: above, and also here. Unfortunately, I am not an expert on the subject and would therefore welcome advice and assistance from colleagues who are. Thank you.
With kind regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^{(talk)(guestbook)} 20:00, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Update - After waiting for a week for input from interested editors, I have now reverted the subject deletions, on the basis that they removed cited content, as mentioned above. I would have preferred a discussion on the subject, during which I would have pointed out that the issue seems to be caused by the fact that the word Métis has at least two very different meanings, and that some editors appear to elect one of these meanings to the exclusion of the other(s). I daresay it would have been more useful to have found a way to accommodate this challenge without deleting cited content, especially from historical sources. I remain available to work with other editors on this issue.

With kind regards;

Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^{(talk)(guestbook)} 21:17, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

It simply isn't accurate to use the term "Métis" with a capital M since it generally refers to Red River Métis in Canada, and also, you would see in reviewing the sources cited in this phrase in the article that they don't even use the capital "M" version of the term. In French, lower-case "m" métis refers to any ethnic mixing, so the lower-case "m" would be accurate, without confusing the issue with Canadian legal uses of the capital-M term "Métis" (and it gets to be quite a confusing issue in Canada, where the term is concerned). There are no capital-M Métis in the Maritime provinces where most Acadian descendants are found today, unless some individual decides to self-describe themselves in that way -- which has no meaning here. I'm going to attempt to reword this lede for clarity and accuracy, while keeping the cited sources in place. They're useful historical detail but the content of the sources shouldn't be represented in a way that tries to attach a 21st century legal definition onto them, when the sources certainly never attempted to do that. OttawaAC (talk) 18:22, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

The lede is a bit contentious where this point is concerned. I've gone through the cited sources, and the evidence indicates that historically, Acadians did not use this term. If anyone wants to use the term in a 21C context, they should cite their source for doing so. OttawaAC (talk) 20:14, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

While the term Metis originated on the east coast, it's almost never used here. This is because it has come to describe a group of people who have become their own culture partially as a result of lack of acceptance from their originating cultures. On the east coast, these multicultural descendants in that era were mostly children of a Mi'kmaq or Maliseet parent, and an Acadian parent. These children were accepted by both of their parents' cultures, and therefore the term Metis as it came to be used didn't apply. They were simply considered to belong to their parents' cultures. 134.41.125.109 (talk) 01:36, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

The Acadians village by caraquet n.b can verify this claim! I could be mistaken but I was told the English settlers were more into fighting the "métis".. i.e. not willing to tradeor not letting them hunt around their" land"😲 Acadianproud87 (talk) 15:44, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

The only confirmed link that I know of, is in relation to the story around the Baron de Saint-Castin that married a daughter (if not two) of Madokawando, a Penobscot sachem in Maine. Saint-Castin gave his name to Castine, Maine, and the descendants were also LeBorgne de Belisle, and Robichaud's (from the Niganne branch). 99.192.43.233 (talk) 16:51, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Definition getting a bit broad.

While I certainly don't want to exclude anyone who considers themselves to be Acadian, I feel the definition and numbers are getting a bit overly broad. With no disrespect meant, it feels like Cajuns have become their own distinct culture at this point. Their relation to Acadians is certainly worth mentioning, but for things like population and such, I don't know that they should be lumped in. How many people in Louisiana or Texas would call themselves "Acadian"? I really doubt it's remotely near the almost million figure that has been added to the article. Acadian culture is generally most present in Atlantic Canada, and yet if someone glanced at this article, they'd think Atlantic Canada was a footnote. 134.41.125.109 (talk) 01:25, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Regarding definitions: I'm not convinced there's a need to come up with a firm definition (mainly because I don't think it's truly possible - would an Acadian be someone counted in the original colonial censuses? Or a descendent of them? Anyone with any bit of Acadian ancestry? It's certainly complicated.) I'm not sure where the estimate of more than 1 million comes from, but I'd guess it's an estimate of modern-day 21st century descendants, in Atlantic Canada, in the U.S. also and elsewhere. The low official number of "Acadian-Canadians" is from the number of people who self-identify that way in the Canadian census (and individuals can self-identify ancestry from more than one group, or not, as they choose). Again, it can be very complicated to get a firm number, aside from a definition. Francophones in Atlantic Canada are generally Acadian descendants, and number more than 300,000 in New Brunswick, more than 30,000 in Nova Scotia, and a few thousand more in PEI and Newfoundland and Labrador. Francophones in Atlantic Canada are not exclusively Acadian descendants though - but it's a rough estimate.

Regarding culture: Most contributors to this article are probably anglophones, whereas many modern Acadian descendants in Atlantic Canada are still francophone, and there's a much more extensive look at modern culture in the French version of this article. Wish we could get more francophones contributing to this article, but that's my attempt to explain the current state of this one. I think this one could be perhaps split into two different articles: Acadians pre-Confederation (before 1867 when Canada came into existence), and a different one about modern Acadian descendants. Or maybe this one could just be organized so that it's sub-divided into two main sections in that way. Been a heck of a long time since I edited anything. Just dropping my opinion in fwiw.

OttawaAC — Preceding undated comment added 23:35, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

I do wonder if there would be a value in distinguishing between historical Acadians and the current Acadian nation. I certainly don't want to exclude anyone who considers themselves Acadian (we're a welcoming people), but I don't want for us to be diluted either. I wonder if there is a value at this point between distinguishing between the more widespread Acadian descendants, and the more collected Acadian nation (which generally exists in Atlantic Canada)? I'm not knowledgeable enough on how to edit these articles to do so myself, but the Acadian culture of the Maritimes feels like a distinct entity. Especially when it is currently being threatened by the People's Alliance political party.134.41.125.152 (talk) 03:23, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

The nearly million figure in Louisiana referred to as Acadians is absolutely inaccurate. Folks down in Louisiana in the modern day are Cajuns. While related to Acadians, including them in the number of Acadians is disingenuous and false, and should not be done. 134.41.125.152 (talk) 03:35, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Journee d'acadie " Acadian day" is almost like st.patricks day , in way , that even if your not descendents of Ireland, everyone can celebrate it ! Same as Acadian day .. it's becoming a holiday for older generation to educate younger ones that they struggle with discrimination or anything because they were french speaking. Younger generation aren't so discriminated nowadays.haha. guess some are but anyway it's just an excuse to drink and do nothing that defines us as Acadian. ***Side note** Acadian and Cajuns aren't the same ! Same acestry not same culture. Acadianproud87 (talk) 15:54, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Acadians allowed to return to NS

The sentence "The British prohibited them from resettling their lands and villages in what became Nova Scotia" is misleading. While many former Acadian villages were resettled by English settlers (many of them "New England Planters"), the Acadians were allowed to resettle in Nova Scotia. In 1756, some of the Acadians were expelled from what is now called Barrington, in Shelburne County, Nova Scotia. They spent 10 years in exile in Massachusetts and returned in 1766. Their land (Barrington) has been resettled but they were allowed to settle further up the coast. In fact, many Acadian villages in Yarmouth County--Amirault's Hill, Eel brook, Wedgeport, East and West Pubnico, etc.--were settled by returning exiled Acadians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.222.54.82 (talk) 18:10, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Also British monarchy gave land for the Acadians. It's Acadian peninsula! Which to my knowledge is coastline between n.b and p.e.i. Acadianproud87 (talk) 15:39, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Also town Moncton is named after Robert monkton . He lead the night raid against innocent people living in area. I believe he killed quite a few Acadians.. and most nowadays live-in or around Moncton! Statue of monkton is in downtown area .. which nobody seems bothered by it . Acadianproud87 (talk) 15:58, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Ethnic makeup of Acadians - cited information being removed from page

How do I have vandalism edits reverted on the page? I had added cited sources (academic ones) and those edits were reverted. The definition of the ethnic origins of the Acadians seems to be a contentious, controversial issue in the lead paragraph? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.95.87.187 (talk) 15:52, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

The section needs revision despite the author using a "source". Great majority of Acadians (evidenced by family surnames and corresponding family trees) came from NW France (Poitou-Tourraine, Pays de la Loire, Maine, Saintonge, Bretagne, Normandie, etc...). These regions and their dialects are pays d'oïl not pays d'occ (Occitan). Acadien42 (talk) 16:35, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

That is right. "Occitania" was never mentioned in any of the books I have read on my culture and ancestors: Some maybe, especially if you consider Gascogne part of "Occitania" otherwise, no mention of the many acadians from Bretagne and Normandie?! 99.192.43.233 (talk) 16:44, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Except for the one ones from Gascogne, Pau area mostly: Abbadie de Saint Castin, LeBorgne de Belisle, etc. 99.192.43.233 (talk) 16:47, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Not sure what your saying....do you have a source that can be read?Moxy- 21:28, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

any book on the history of acadians, and the resources from the "Centre d'études acadiennes" at the Université de Moncton. I suggest talking to Maurice Basque and the other researchers and historians on staff. 99.192.43.233 (talk) 16:46, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

first paragraph of the lede appears tautological

"The Acadians are an ethnic group descended from the French who settled in the New France colony of Acadia. ... Most Acadians live in the region of Acadia, as it is the region where the descendants of a few Acadians who escaped the Expulsion of the Acadians re-settled." If that is saying something more than "Acadians are from Acadia", then it needs to be explained more carefully. 2603:8001:D300:A631:0:0:0:10D0 (talk) 18:33, 4 November 2022 (UTC)