Talk:List of professional associations in the United Kingdom

Royal Astronomical Society

Removed Royal Astronomical Society (a learned society, which does not operate as a professional body); added the Geological Society of London (which operates as both a professional body and a learned society). Russ Evans— Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.69.10.132 (talk) 23:10, 26 December 2003 (UTC)

Re-added Royal Astronomical Society, which is the professional body for astronomers and geophysicists in the UK and is recognised as such by the Science Council and HERO.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.33.116.9 (talk) 04:56, 14 September 2004 (UTC)

Australian bodies

Dumb question from an Aussie: what are those two Australian bodies doing there? Australia's not actually still part of Britain, despite what our prime minister might think. --Eric TF Bat 05:56, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

I found 5 Australian bodies in the list and have removed them. For reference they were

• Australian Institute of Building (AIB)
• Australasian Institute of Mining and Metallurgy (AusIMM)
• Institute of Chartered Accountants in Australia (ICAA)
• Institution of Engineers, Australia (IEAust)
• Royal Australian Chemical Institute (RACI)

--PTSE 23:58, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Linkfarm

The external links to the various official websites should be removed per WP:NOT#LINK, WP:EL, & WP:SPAM. --Ronz 16:04, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Done. --Ronz 03:19, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Institute of Sound and Communications Engineers

I would propose to add the Institute of Sound and Communications Engineers to the list. Details are at http:www.isce.org.uk . The Institute, under a different name, was founded in 1948. JMW1937 (talk) 06:54, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

 Done A bit late, but better late than never. It is not on the #Definitive list, so was added under Non-chartered. HairyWombat 18:08, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Institute of Leadership and Management

The ILM is listed twice - under chartered and non-chartered. Which is it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 135.196.14.254 (talk) 15:52, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

I looked on their website, and saw no mention of them being chartered. I have therefore removed them from that section. HairyWombat 02:32, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Later. Also, it is not on the #Definitive list. HairyWombat 19:36, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Definitive list

The UK Privy Council Office has published the definitive list of which bodies have a Royal Charter; it is in the form of an Excel spreadsheet. I have added this to the article; it is currently the sole reference in the entire article. It would be helpful if people consulted this definitive list before making changes to the chartered list. For example, the Institution of Engineering and Technology is not on the list, whereas the Institution of Electrical Engineers is (even though the former is the new name of the latter). HairyWombat 16:27, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Later. In an e-mail exchange the Privy Council Office have admitted that the omission of The Institution of Engineering and Technology (IET) from their definitive list was an oversight. I have therefore added as a <ref> the consolidated version of the IET's Charter and Orders published on the IET website. HairyWombat 18:52, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Even later. The Privy Council Office has released an updated definitive list here. I will update the article. HairyWombat 18:18, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

While this list is definitive of inclusion, the Privy Council specifically state (here:https://privycouncil.independent.gov.uk/royal-charters/list-of-charters-granted/) that it is not definitive in exhaustive terms - i.e. there may be entities holding a Charter which are not listed. In any case, see below re my point about this being a misleading title for the page (it sounds like it is an exhaustive list of professional associations in the UK, but is not - not merely because it is incomplete, but because it uses a specific criterion - Royal Charter status - which is not exhaustive of professional associations in the UK) BenjaminPTaylor (talk) 10:12, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

RINA

The Royal Institution of Naval Architects should be on the list. Can an editor add that? 129.67.85.145 (talk) 14:47, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

 Done It is on the #Definitive list, so was added under Chartered. HairyWombat 18:46, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

ACT

ACT moved to Chartered list, ref http://www.treasurers.org/charter — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cressowski (talk • contribs) 07:32, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

It is also on the #Definitive list. HairyWombat 18:59, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Coaching & Mentoring Accreditation

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Inclusion criteria

As per WP:LISTCRITERIA, a list of this length should probably be limited to bodies that meet notability criteria. I therefore propose removing the red-linked items from the non-chartered section. There are a few red-linked items in the chartered section, but it seems reasonable to presume that any organisation deemed by the UK government to be the preeminent professional body in a field that forms a distinct profession is actually notable, and there is thus a reasonable likelihood an article will be created at some point. Robminchin (talk) 18:21, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Incorrect heading - this is a list of CHARTERED professional associations in the United Kingdom

'List of professional associations in the United Kingdom' is inaccurate, because it implies that this is THE list, or that this is a complete list. This is, in fact, a list of professional associations in the UK which hold a Royal Charter, with reference to professional associations which hold tax-exempt status.

In fact, there is NO authoritative or complete list of professional associations in the United Kingdom.

There are at least two lists, inclusion in which signals that an organisation IS a professional association in the United Kingdom. One is the HMRC list cited in footnote (1), which is specifically about bodies who have been through a process approved for tax relief - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/professional-bodies-approved-for-tax-relief-list-3/approved-professional-organisations-and-learned-societies - there is no requirement or obligation for professional bodies to be on this list. Another is the list of Chartered Bodies, which is specifically those bodies which have been through a different process, approval by the monarch via the Privy Council to receive a Royal Charter - there is no requirement or obligation for professional bodies to be on this list, and indeed the process is complicated, time-consuming, and rarely granted (per the relevant Privy Council page).

(A further discrepancy in the page is that one list is only referenced in a footnote, the other is excepted)

These list are not collectively exhaustive, as professional bodies may exist which are on neither list.

Declaration: I (Benjamin Taylor) am a Director of the Charity Systems and Complexity in Organisation. This is the UK professional body for systems thinking practice, as recognised by the UK government via its Institute for Apprenticeships:

https://www.instituteforapprenticeships.org/apprenticeship-standards/systems-thinking-practitioner/

"Professional recognition This standard aligns with the following professional recognition: Systems & Complexity in Organisations (SCiO) for Advanced Practitioner level 7"

BenjaminPTaylor (talk) 10:07, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

I don't know where you have got the idea that possession of a royal charter is being used as an inclusion criterion here. There are both chartered and unchartered professional associations listed, so this is clearly not simply a list of chartered professional associations. There is selection on notability – which is a common selection criteria for Wikipedia lists – but any British professional association that is notable can be included here, whether chartered or not. Robminchin (talk) 20:26, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Countryside Management Association

The Countryside Management Association is the largest organisation supporting the work of conservation, access and recreation professionals in the natural greenspace and countryside sector throughout England, Wales and Northern Ireland. See https://countrysidemanagement.org.uk for more info...

Scotland has their own association, the Scottish Countryside Rangers Association (SCRA) See https://scra-online.co.uk

Both are unchartered but have been around for many decades and ought to be on this listing.

Mark Baker, CMA Secretary secretary@countrysidemanagement.org.uk 194.153.2.210 (talk) 20:37, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

The general rule is that notable organisations are listed here, whether chartered or not. By 'notable' is meant, in Wikipedia terms, that the organisation has a page on Wikipedia (as non-notable organisations will normally be deleted). The notability criteria for organisations can be found at Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). The summary is "An organization is generally considered notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources". Robminchin (talk) 02:05, 12 February 2023 (UTC)