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I added The Fourth Turning reference in a new Further Reading section. Most of the content in this article is found in that book, which has many references if someone wants to take this to the next level in terms of citations. Gandalf2000 (talk) 22:47, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"The ancient Romans held their Olympics once a saeculum, guaranteeing that the Olympic would occur at some point in the average Roman's life. By the second century B.C., Roman historians were using the saeculum to periodize their chronicles and track wars."

Um, the Romans had Olympics? Wouldn't surprise me if they had, considering how much else they ripped off the Greeks, but still... crazyeddie 06:24, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Here's the relevant blub from the Olympics article:

"From that moment on, the Games slowly became more important throughout ancient Greece, reaching their zenith in the sixth and fifth centuries BC. The Olympics were of fundamental religious importance, contests alternating with sacrifices and ceremonies honouring both Zeus (whose colossal statue stood at Olympia), and Pelops, divine hero and mythical king of Olympia famous for his legendary chariot race, in whose honor the games were held. The number of events increased to twenty, and the celebration was spread over several days. Winners of the events were broadly admired and were immortalised in poems and statues. The Games were held every four years, and the period between two celebrations became known as an Olympiad. The Greeks used Olympiads as one of their methods to count years. The most famous Olympic athlete lived in these times: The sixth century BC wrestler Milo of Croton is the only athlete in history to win a victory in six Olympics.

The Games gradually lost in importance as the Romans gained power in Greece. When Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire, the Olympic Games were seen as a "pagan" festival threatening Christian hegemony, and in 393 the emperor Theodosius outlawed the Olympics, ending a thousand year period of Olympic Games."

No mention of the Romans holding Olympics. What gives? crazyeddie 06:27, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)


is there any citeable evidence that 'the term was used by the Etruscans'? Baad 13:28, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"Secular" meaning

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Is a qualifier missing from the definition of "secular"? I th"ink the more common meaning these days is of the people or as opposed to sacred. Esha Neogy (talk) 17:32, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please excuse the wandering ". Esha Neogy (talk) 17:32, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]