Talk:Drake Passage

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Eendracht

Eendracht (named for the home town of the ship's captain) this remark is to be checked further. as a dutch I can ashure you that "Eendracht" is not a place in the Netherlands. the meaning of the word Eendracht is more like "Unity" or "Harmony"

repaired and (hopefully) improved. Ianbrown 13:55, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

External Links

The first of the external links does not work! The one to Southampton -- Fixed the link Peter 21:23, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to see more information about this passage and it's peril to sailors. Francis Checester writes about traveling through Drakes Passage in his book Gypsy Moth Circles the Globe (Subcinco 03:21, 24 April 2007 (UTC))

"closed until around 41 million years ago"

Wording in this section is somewhat misleading. Specifically, the article states that "...Before the passage opened, the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans were separated entirely...". While the connection between the two Oceans may have been closed at the location of the Drake Passage, they could not have been separated entirely at 41 million years b.p., as the the Isthmus of Panama did not exist at the time. The isthmus only rose to form a land connection between the two American continents in the Pliocene, about 3 million b.p. See the Wikipedia article on the Isthmus of Panama for details.

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Rough seas

The Drake passage has rough seas probably because of the Scotia Plate.

104.228.101.152 (talk) 19:10, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Cleaning up this article

Sorry about all the tags, but I came across this article today after hearing about it’s subject in passing and was astounded at how terrible the quality is. Now I am definitely no expert on any of this, but I kind of get the feeling this subject may be important for the trade and the international economy, and deserves better than anything I could possibly do. So could someone with the necessary skills please fix this up for the next reader who comes along looking for information on the Drake Passage? Thank you. Also, would love to know if I applied the article tags correctly, saw many listed for use that appeared to be highly appropriate for this article as it currently sits.

Goddale120 (talk) 02:47, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

That was overkill on the tags but your point is made. At a glance it appears to be structured well but it lacks references, which is probably the cause of all the factual errors you think are there. For somebody with only 21 edits and a willingness to get involved, why don't you have a go at inserting properly sourced detail. This should help with what to do, if you do not know already. You can alter the style and grammar as you go. Have fun. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 03:41, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Human Powered Transit

The statement for the first human powered transit of Drake Passage refers to "Their accomplishment" without any indication of who or what conducted the feat, only later in the paragraph referencing another article. For completeness of this brief statement, I think the names of the travellers (" ... was accomplished by ... ") could have been included as a minimum. SquashEngineer (talk) 16:10, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Mar de Hoces

The name in Spanish is Mar de Hoces, named for Francisco de Hoces. A person's name isn't typically translated from one language to another, so the translation should be de Hoces Sea, as it appears in the main article on de Hoces himself, rather than Sea of Sickles. Bppubjr (talk) 14:16, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

It seems necessary to clarify that that name is used exclusively in Spain. The most used name in Spanish is “Pasaje de Drake”. As can be noticed in the Talk page of this topic in the spanish Wikipedia, there are many arguments to prefer this name over “Mar de Hoces”. Loft-ind (talk) 09:31, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

If it helps, the rule, which is frequently not followed, is that a foreign language name can be added if that foreign name is used by a large number of English reliable secondary sources (eg Malvinas). Sometimes the foreign name will be the primary name used in English sources eg Tierra del Fuego. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 09:48, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

I agree, but the problem is in treating an alternative name (like Mar de Hoces) as a traslation, even more so considering that alternative name is in minority use. Loft-ind (talk) 10:07, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Las Malvinas is not the Spanish translation of the Falklands but it is treated as such in WP. A notable number of English RSS use Malvinas too rather than Falklands. The guidelines might need amended to allow the inclusion of foreign translations and alternative names. I think this topic is usually interconnected with editors inserting a translation or alternative foreign name to make a political point. I don't know if that is the case with Drake Passage. My initial thought is that any Spanish version should only be included in the lead if it is used in English sources. If not, the Spanish versions can be inserted in the body of the article below where there is room for elaboration. What often happens, and in my view incorrectly, is that the foreign name is accepted in the lead simply because there is a sort of connection with the topic, such as Drake passage and Spain. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 19:03, 20 September 2023 (UTC)