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I learned of Tom Burnett's heroics that very day...He is a hero in my eyes and an inspiration for me to become a better person.

God Bless You Tom Burnett

9-11-03 You are not forgotten. Thank you for your sacrifice - you gave us all hope on a hopeless day.

My mother's maden name is Linda Burnett daughter of Madeline and Kenneth Burnett of West Des Moines Iowa. My family is related to Tom Burnett through research that my cousin Brandon Burnett did a while back. His story is inspirational and I hold that day in my thoughts. I will never forget him or his family and we pray for them each day and I know all american's do. I did not know Tom or his family personally but I do know it is definitely something a Burnett would have done. God Bless America and all of it's great people. Therese Davis-Lake Panorama Iowa.

This is an encyclopedia, not a memorial. Please delete the comment above. Beingsshepherd (talk) 01:50, 16 January 2014 (UTC)Beingsshepherd[reply]

Speculation?

'...foiling the hijackers' plan to crash the plane into the White House or Capitol Building,...' Is this not pure speculation? 'They’re talking about crashing this plane into the ground. ' - Burnett Foundation. Beingsshepherd (talk) 02:25, 16 January 2014 (UTC)Beingsshepherd[reply]

That information comes from the cited sources, which I added to the end of that passage just now. Nightscream (talk) 23:00, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I was referring to the assertions of those sources, rather than your citation of them. I gather that the intended target, was never officially disclosed.

NBC News reported, that Camp David was the target: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrImw_rgOcI

Beingsshepherd (talk) 00:07, 17 January 2014 (UTC)Beingsshepherd[reply]

Yes, those sources are obviously conjecturing what the target of United 93 was, and that's okay, since it's relevant, and the sources in question reliable. It is only Wikipedia editors who cannot be the origin of speculation.

As for NBC News, they did not report that Camp David was the target. Not to split hairs, but they were merely reporting that Virginia Congressman Jim Moran said it was, and without providing any elaboration or basis for this assertion. By contrast, the 9/11 Commission Report, which was compiled long after the event, is obviously more reliable, in part because it was the conclusion of the investigation into the event. By contrast, that news report that mentioned Moran looks like it was made soon after 9/11, when it would've been less likely for authorities to have formed a final conclusion on that question. Nightscream (talk) 02:12, 17 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

' Although the specific target is not known , it is believed that the hijackers were heading for either the White House or the Capitol Building. ' ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_93

' ...to this day[09/12/2006], the ultimate target of the terrorists on this aircraft has never been confirmed. ' ~ http://www.nbcnews.com/id/14778963/#.UtndijNFBqU

Beingsshepherd (talk) 01:45, 18 January 2014 (UTC)Beingsshepherd[reply]

I am aware of what the United 93 article says, and I responded to it above. Did you not read what I wrote?

Again, the NBC News story appears to have been made at the time of the attacks, or right after. But the Lead section of the United 93 article says, "Although the specific target is not known, it is believed that the hijackers were heading for either the White House or the Capitol Building.", and the citation for that passage is the 9/11 commission report. The Tom Burnett article reflects this, by saying, "foiling the hijackers' plan to crash the plane into the White House or Capitol Building.." It does not state nor imply that the hijacker's ultimate target was confirmed. Nightscream (talk) 05:03, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

But it does limit it, to only two possibilities; which both seem to be based on the (profoundly biased) Commission's faith and admitted ignorance.

Surely, we shouldn't be reporting known conjecture, as fact? Beingsshepherd (talk) 05:51, 18 January 2014 (UTC)Beingsshepherd[reply]

Do you not consider the 9/11 commission to be a reliable source per WP:IRS? Nightscream (talk) 05:56, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Would you deem al Qaeda a similarly reliable source, insofar as this subject's concerned?

Maybe I am missing what you wrote above. Don't you mean the (2006) NBC News, rather than the United 93 article? Beingsshepherd (talk) 06:03, 18 January 2014 (UTC)Beingsshepherd[reply]

In an of itself, no, al Qaeda would not be a reliable source, but if a reliable secondary source related something that al Quaeda indicated, or related something that a reliable intelligence agency revealed that al Quaeda indicated, that would be reliable.

No, I'm referring to the NBC story. What indication is there that it was made in 2006? Nightscream (talk) 05:44, 19 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

To be clear: I'm referring to the NBC News Internet article, rather than the NBC News YouTube video - 'updated 9/12/2006 12:39:30 PM ET' . The original date doesn't seem to be given; but it does include: ' The 9/11 commission concluded... ', which was published in 2004. Beingsshepherd (talk) 06:04, 19 January 2014 (UTC)Beingsshepherd[reply]

Mariah Mills

Last year, I happened to notice that information about Mariah Mills, Tom Burnett's eldest biological daughter, had been added to this article. It was properly sourced, but didn't seem to be formatted in the best possible way. Using the information in the existing source, I rewrote the information about Mariah Mills in the "Personal Life" section, and I also wrote about her in the "Legacy" section. Twice now, information about Mariah Mills has been removed from the article without explanation. The first time, the "Personal Life" information was deleted. The second time, the information in both sections was deleted. I have restored it both times. If somebody wishes to remove the information about Mariah Mills from this article, please initiate a discussion here. --DavidK93 (talk) 20:14, 16 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The information about Mariah Mills was removed again, and I have restored it again. It appears that, each time, the information has been removed by a user--a different user each of the two times--whose only edits have been to remove information about Mariah Mills from this article, which strikes me as unusual. If you wish to remove information about Tom Burnett's daughter Mariah Mills from this article, please discuss it here. --DavidK93 (talk) 23:30, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]